In this episode of Discussing Dogs in the D, Christine is joined by her husband Tom to explore the fascinating — and sometimes confusing — world of dog DNA testing. After testing their own dogs through three different companies, they compare results from Embark, Wisdom Panel, and DNA My Dog to see how accurate these popular tests really are. The results? Surprisingly different. Christine and Tom break down the breed reports for their dogs Molly and Boomer, revealing how each company interpreted their DNA and why some labs may produce more detailed or accurate results than others. They also discuss their theory about why one company never identified American Pit Bull Terrier in the results — and how regional breed bans and early database limitations could affect DNA analysis. Along the way, they share: How dog DNA tests actually work Why breed percentages can vary between companies How DNA testing can identify relatives and siblings The emotional moment when Molly’s daughter appeared as a confirmed DNA match A surprising sibling match for Boomer through Embark Stories from their years fostering rescue dogs in Michigan The episode also dives into new DNA age testing, where Christine shares the surprising estimated ages of Molly and their foster-fail Joshua — and how those results compared to what shelters originally believed. From scientific curiosity to heartfelt rescue stories, this episode explores how DNA testing can deepen our understanding of the dogs we love. At the end of the episode, Christine announces a new segment: Listener Mail! If you’ve ever DNA tested your pet, send your story to GreatLakesPetCoalition@gmail.com for a chance to be featured in a future episode — with prizes and giveaways.
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00:00:22 Speaker: Hey friends, welcome back to the podcast. We've got a special episode for you guys today. I have my husband Tom here with me. Hello everyone. Thank you for being here. I really appreciate it. I mean, obviously I love you, but we wanted to talk about something. We love science, I love science. My background, I do have a little bit of a background in science. And my husband as an engineer, linear thinker, we want to tackle something that we thought would be fun to cover. Is DNA, DNA or your dogs? So anytime we foster a dog, we do get them DNA tested. But back when our dog Boomer was alive, we lost our dog Boomer last year to lymphoma. He had cancer and before he had passed away, we, you know, over the years, we had gotten a DNA for him, a DNA for Mollie And then I thought all these things about writing a blog post about them. I decided to send their DNA out to three different companies just to compare. You know, do they measure up? How do they compare to each other? And the findings are pretty fascinating. What do you think, Tom? Yeah, I mean, it's always been interesting, like, you know, the differences we saw in them. And then like the, you know, it was very fun to see like the different traits that were identified. Like, I guess for the different dogs, like, you know, the different breeds that they identified were part of the dog's makeup. And then when you see those breeds, you're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense for Boomer, for sure. Oh yeah. But the one company we'll talk about that later, but there's one company that didn't really match up with the rest. And we'll I think we've identified why, but we're not sure. We just wanted to share a theory. It's a theory. It is absolutely a theory. So anyway, we'll get into it. So we use three companies, the three companies were DNA my dog, wisdom panel and embark. So I'd like to start with DNA, my dog, because that was for us the most controversial one. We had adopted our dog Molly through a rescue and they had given us, you know, we had paid for it, but they had given us like a company DNA, you know, that is out of Toronto DNA, my dog, you send it to, I believe it's Toronto, Ontario. And when we originally did her DNA analysis, it was very, very basic. And it was. And granted, this was in twenty eighteen, I think it was a little bit of, you know, twofold, right? It was early and it was, you know, early in the technology, right? Like, you know, but it was definitely interesting what we got back for results. I think you're right. I think that just like with ancestry DNA, you know, with humans it evolves a little bit. But with ancestry, I did my DNA through them and they are constantly updating, sending me new information. Like, you know, very recently found out I, I don't know how they three percent Latvian or something. And I'm like, where did that come from? But anyway, I think that if they were updating their files at DNA, my dog, maybe it would be different now, I don't know. Yeah. We haven't, we haven't done a DNA sample with them in since like twenty eighteen. And I believe we did Boomer with them in twenty fifteen. So with all that said we did three different companies for for Molly and Boomer. Now we have DNA, all of our foster dogs. And we did do a wisdom panel DNA for Joshua. So we'll get to that later. But DNA, my dog interestingly, Toronto said Molly was seventy ish. They came up with like a range, but she's seventy ish percent American Staffordshire terrier, and she's thirty percent ish. American Bulldog, just those two very basic things. And then for Boomer, they gave him forty seven percent. Australian cattle dog. He was thirty eight percent American Staffordshire terrier. And I believe that last percentage was like fifteen percent was like a other or supermodel or. They said it something like that. Anyway. So if you notice, neither of them had American pit bull terrier. So we have a theory about this, but let me jump into what their results were. For. Let's start with wisdom panel. Wisdom panel and embark were much more detailed and Molly was. Get this with wisdom panel Sixty two percent American pit bull terrier and only fifteen percent American Staffordshire Terrier. She had additional breed selection of twelve percent Rottweiler, two percent Dogue de Bordeaux, two percent American Bulldog. And remember, in her DNA my dog, she was like thirty percent American Bulldog. She also crazy crazy, crazy, four percent German Shepherd, two percent Siberian Husky and one percent Chinese shar Pei. So they were, you know, the wisdom panel was much, much more, detailed. So for Molly with him bark eighty one percent American pit bull terrier. Okay, so you see the, the, the large discrepancy right off the bat. Yeah. It was really like, I mean, I guess right off the bat, we noticed like, they didn't call out American pit bull terrier and like, the DNA, my dog, the DNA, my dog. But it showed up as such a predominant part of her in the other two, right? So no American pit bull terrier for the Toronto company. She was, according to embark, eleven to twelve percent Rottweiler and seven to eight percent American Bulldogs. So not as detailed as Wisdom panel at all. So that was her breed makeup for the three. And like I said before, Boomer was forty seven percent cattle dog, thirty eight percent staffy and the rest just other for DNA. My dog now for Boomer with let's start with wisdom panel. So Boomer with wisdom panel was for breeds according to their, Okay, so they find him slightly more fifty two percent. Australian cattle dog thirty percent. American pit bull terrier sixteen. Only sixteen percent American Staffordshire Terrier and two percent Bulldog. Tom and I agree, we definitely think one of Boomer's parents was one hundred percent Australian cattle dog. So the other was probably some type of, you know, mixed breed mutt. And, you know, they had Boomer. So that's moved to embark with Boomer. And again, more than fifty percent of his DNA was Australian cattle dog with embark thirty six percent American pit bull terrier. So compared to wisdom panel, thirty percent with embark. He was thirty six percent American pit bull terrier, and then they have him as thirteen percent Staffordshire Terrier. embarked. Didn't even have Bulldog on on the radar for him at all. So. we're comparing these two dogs with three different, DNA companies. what's our theory? Tom, we've talked about this so many times. Our theory relative to DNA. My dog was like, we we found it really odd that, American pit bull terrier was never mentioned in anything ever, ever. And like, you know, and it's a predominant trait in both of them. and Boomer, I don't know, he had the heart and soul one hundred percent Australian cattle dog. But anyways, our theory behind it is if you look at like Canada and the breed restrictions against Pitbull that, you know, we're saying, you know, at least our thought is. They automatically exclude American pit bull terrier from the mix and they just lump everybody into Staffies. Right? Yeah. So okay, so my thought is pitbulls have been banned in Canada for years. So if you have this and this is just a theory, speculation that is not proven. We don't have anything proven. if this is some lab that's taking in animals that people are saying that are these breed types and they're using them as sample data, but they're saying everything's a staffy, right? Right. Their sample size for comparison in the genes is everything's labeled as a staffy because of the ban, right? Like they, we feel as though the data pool has been somewhat tainted. Right? Right, right. Or because DNA, my dog was like the first. And it was. And I think the reason why I personally did the DNA my dog early on with the two of them was because it was a lot less expensive. So it could also be that, yes, they were less expensive. Their data wasn't as secure or, you know, as it wasn't as refined. Exactly. So they had a bit more of a large like larger pools they were working with comparisons on. So, so you have all that. So let's just remove all of that from like, let's just take DNA, my dog out of the mix here. Because when you compare the embark and the wisdom panel, they're pretty close. Yeah, I think those two are definitely like I would say. More accurate and close. you're seeing some much similar results the percentage breakdowns. And like, the breeds mentioned, I think more accurate. Now, of course, I feel like it's going to be an evolving science as they bring more. they're testing more dogs Yeah. The more exposure, the more people that do it, the better the data results are going to get. So Boomer and for both of them wisdom panel and bark. He was more slightly more cattle dog than anything else. So fifty one to fifty three percent or whatever. Australian cattle dog. And then definitely Pitbull definitely Staffy. So going back to Mollie though, what I think is so interesting is Embark Again, not as detailed Theory about Molly now. Now that I look at this again. She probably had one parent that was completely, one hundred percent American pit bull terrier. And then her other parent was probably also a mixed breed of a mixed breed with it. Yes. So same, same with the so I'm going back to the wisdom panel. I'm looking at this. She. Well, they here's the thing though. Wisdom panel says she's sixty two percent still. Yeah. You'd have to believe that one of her parents is. One of her parents was a full, full blooded You would think. Right. And then I think they even break it down. Oh, and I'm looking at this right now. Just a side note, what's really amazing about Molly, Mollie was found, I believe, as a stray in Detroit, and she was pulled from Detroit Animal Control and the rescue that pulled her knew that she was pregnant. She gave birth to puppies with that rescue, and we have stayed friends with some of the owners that have her puppies. And what I loved about Wisdom Panel is that one of the owners of one of her puppies, the dog's name is Jolie. It's Mini Molly. Oh my God, they look they're twins. Twinsies, you know. And actually, I'll walk Molly with Jolie every once. You know? You know, Dan and I get together every once in a while. We walk the dogs together, and it's just Molly. Just Molly and Jolie and people, you know, they stop like they are twins so bad. but Jolie did a wisdom panel. And what I loved about wisdom panel is when her DNA results came in. I received a notification that there was a relative of Molly. You know, like these. Both embark in wisdom panel. They notify you if if you allow that they have relatives and wisdom panel marked Jolie as Molly's daughter. Like it was like one hundred percent, isn't it? That it's one hundred percent her daughter? Like there was no no question. One hundred percent her daughter. And it says they match fifty percent DNA. Yeah. So that's typical. And I, I'm not going to get into the reasons why that's the case. Like even even one hundred percent or daughter, I mean, obviously there's fifty percent from fifty ish percent from each parent. So yeah, but it goes back to like supporting your, if we do the breakdowns on Molly and Boomer and everything that more than likely, like, you know, you have one of the parents was a pure, American pit bull terrier. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And then Boomer and with that said, Boomer was actually matched to. And this is a touchy subject because we lost Boomer to lymphoma. When you look up his relatives, Boomer was matched, actually. Oh, now that I'm looking at it again and again, these these websites. This is embark. Boomer matched with a dog. They shared fifty three percent DNA. And I messaged the owner of Nyla and I said, I think your dog is a sibling. And now it's saying this. It's saying sibling match. Yeah, I think so. We suspected that all along. And the owner had adopted Nyla from a rescue. And this says five years ago from a shelter. And when I had contacted her, I had told her, well, our dog Boomer is at the time he was he was nine. Yeah. And she was like, oh no, they're not siblings. Nyla's only six and a half. And I just wanted to tell her. I'm really sorry, but your dog is actually older. And she was in denial. She was not having it. She didn't want to hear that her dog was older. But what's wild is if you put a photo of Nyla up, compared to boomers, they were definitely siblings. Oh my gosh, I thought it was a. I honestly thought her photo was a photo of Boomer and she, you know, confessed that Nyla had major dog reactivity like Boomer did. Like they were so much alike, but they shared fifty three percent of their DNA. And on me, understanding DNA was explaining to her, no, they don't have to match one hundred percent to be Littermates siblings, right? And she didn't. I don't think she I don't I don't want to speculate, but I think that she probably didn't want to believe that her dog was older than what she was. but now that I'm looking at embark, they've updated saying a definite sibling match. And I'm, you know, and they share the two breeds Australian cattle dog and um American pit bull terrier. Yeah. I mean like, and back to what you were saying, like, I mean, how they look almost identical. Like, you know, they look identical, like from that regard, like they had the same body build type and like, you know, Boomer. Boomer was like, you know, he was a really muscular Australian cattle dog. That's like, you know. Yeah, he looked like he looked like an Australian cattle. He had the Australian cattle dog markings and like, you know, appearance. But he was just if you compare him to a purebred Australian cattle dog, he was just much he was thicker and more muscular. So the reason why we were going through this is because one, like I said, we find this so fascinating as science. You know, we love the science behind this. But two, it's intriguing that these these all these different companies have come up with very. I mean, not very different, but you know. They are different, especially the DNA. My dog. It's very different. We almost have to put like I don't know, I've kind of put DNA my dog as an outlier of. Sure. This is kind of just based on the data that we've received about our dogs. that all aside, Tom and I have fostered many, many dogs over the years, and I can't say that I have a favorite. Well, I don't know. I think Joshua, who's on Tom's lap right now, just we call him our Sonorasaurus. He's just snoring away right now. Now, Joshua, we fostered. We did not intend to keep him. I don't count him as a foster anymore. No, he was a foster fail. Okay. But he I think he's he was kind of my favorite foster ever. I don't know. Tom had tough like out of all the Foster's we've had. Oh, you know that one senior dog. She was your favorite too. Yeah. I mean, I think that my favorite, you know, it's Millie or Baby doggy. I always call her baby dog. Always calls her baby doggy. Yeah, I think it was mainly because we had baby doggy for a while. Yeah, she had to recover. She had a lot going on. She was chained up in Detroit and the group, the Karens, they do outreach. So side note, we'll eventually have the Karens on one of the podcast episodes. Outreach. just in a nutshell, organizations that try to help people keep their dogs. Now there's the Karens. There's dog aid and Michigan humane and chained. There's all these organizations that their goal is to not have people lose their dogs and have to drop them off at animal control, because Detroit is already stressed out as it is. So they drop off food, they drop off, preventative, or they offer to get dogs spayed and neutered. they do all these things to help people keep their dogs. And I was on a call with them a couple years ago, and there was definitely some concern over a dog that was emaciated and had what is called flystrike on her ears. And her ears were very bloody. We did walk away that day, but eventually, Chantal with the Karens sent a picture to the group that we were fostering for, and I ended up being the one because I knew where it was. I ended up being the one to transport her to, The rescue canine companions, and we ended up saying, okay, we'll just keep her, we'll we'll foster her. It's fine. She had very bloody ears. We had to put this ointment on her ears and it was incredible. The vet care she received through Orion Oaks Animal Hospital. Her ears healed so fast. And it was so impressive with all the great vet care she received. And I'll let you take it away. She was absolutely your favorite foster ever. Yeah. She was. that was from a fostering standpoint. I mean, it was we had Boomer and Molly and we were not able to integrate them with like how dog reacted Boomer was. So that was kind of like my prolonged exposure to crate and rotate, right, right. Separate and rotate is kind of what we always had to do with Boomer for sure. we spent a bunch of time like, I would get her out. Like, you know, I was working from home and let her out during the day just so she wasn't always in her kennel while she was recovering and she was just fun and so inquisitive and just being able to watch her grow into being a dog. Right? Oh, getting better and getting better. Like she was really shut down when she first got here. And then she became pals, with me, because I would take her out a bunch spend a bunch of time with her outside, while we were rotating through dogs. So I spent a lot of time outside with our dogs and baby dogs. Yeah. So we have a long ranch. And what we would do we use packet doors and we had this system of managing to go out one door while one came in the other door, and we would sit in the garage and wait for the other person to come inside while we took the other dog out. And it sounds complicated, but Tom actually made it a really easy process for us to go in and out with the dogs. So Boomer never met any of our foster dogs, but baby, her name was Millie. Tom never called her Millie. She was always baby doggy to Tom, so it was mainly because she was so much smaller than our dog and she never got bigger. She always stayed about the same size. her DNA results were very interesting though. I think it was because outlier, the one outlier because it was only a couple percentage, right? I think that's what it was. Right. But it was duck tolling retriever. Nova Scotia or Nova Scotia. Nova Scotia duck tolling retriever. I think I want to say that it was like ten percent or something. Yeah, it was a small percentage, but yes. And then she was Staffy and Pitbull. So and I think she had super mutt, like there was this grouping of super mutt in there. So what was interesting about her and I will try to provide a link in the show notes for photos to all of these dogs, because I took pictures of all of our fosters over the years and obviously had photos of my own dogs. But Millie looked, she was tannish white and she had the short coat of a pitbull, but she had the face and the body of the duck tolling retriever. Yeah. I mean, once we found out, like, that's what it made sense, right? It made total sense. Her face looked like a Nova Scotia duck tolling retriever. Except with short hair. baby doggy, we have a really cute video that. So Tom, for some reason we had this like coffee can outside and Baby doggy just took that coffee can for a ride. She, she grabbed it and just ran around the backyard with it. Yeah. She found it I forget where she dug it out of, but like it became like her favorite toy. Yeah, the video I was able to capture of her like was just priceless because she was so proud of herself for finding the coffee can. And then when she was running with it, she was covering her eyes so she couldn't see where she was going and just wandering about. But yeah, that's so great. As I'm looking at our wisdom panel and Embarc accounts, we have so many DNA results for all these dogs that we've fostered over the years. And it's just so funny. And like I said, even when they get matched up with relatives, it's kind of cute to see. but right now in our home, we have two dogs of our own. We lost Boomer last year, unfortunately to lymphoma. And then we started fostering Joshua. I believe it was June of last year we only have done wisdom panel for him and his wisdom panel while it's, a similar makeup. Makes sense, but it's also kind of funny. So he is fifty one percent American Staffordshire Terrier, forty one percent American pit bull terrier, six percent American Bulldog. And he has this two percent Rottweiler. he's about a seventy pound dog. And what is interesting about the two percent Rottweiler is that he's got the head of a Rottweiler. His head is huge. It's massive. And it's it's way bigger than it should be. It's way bigger than what? His body what you would represent. So I photographed a Rottweiler the other day. And I mean, the dog is just huge. It was like a ninety pound dog. And I was thinking like he's got the same size head, but he's got a bigger body than Joshua. Joshua has this like he's got more of the like a bigger staffie size body. He sure does. But the head definitely of a Rottweiler. Yeah. So but if you compare that to Molly. Yeah. Who's got what, fifteen percent Rottweiler. She's twelve percent. Yeah, but she's got this small head. Yeah. She's got like, it's the other end of the spectrum. And like, she doesn't have like any body characteristics of what a Rottweiler. So just side note, let's go back to that. She has two percent dogue de Bordeaux. Guys, go Google Dogue de Bordeaux. How does she not have a massive. It's so funny. Okay, so I we also wanted to share because we very recently decided to do with Embarc. They have an age test, And I'm going to preface that. When we adopted Molly in twenty eighteen, they said she was three, three and a half. And ever since we've had her, we've never thought that. No, we always thought that she had to have been way younger. Okay, so I want to say this. So she we adopted her, I believe, in September of twenty eighteen. She had given birth to her puppies. I believe it was June She had given birth to nine puppies. if you think about this, let's just back up before I tell you what they said. Her age is female dogs. A lot of dogs tend to get their first heat cycle at about a year, but American Pitbull Staffy bully breed type dogs. They can get their first heat cycle as early as six months and I have always believed that she was a puppy having puppies. She was so small she looked like a puppy herself. And there's a. There's also a lot of different reasons that could be the case. So if she had been three years old, three and a half, She'd be eleven to twelve, eleven to twelve now, right? I have always suspected that she's a lot younger, which we always that never made sense. It never really jived especially with Boomer. We knew how old Boomer was. He was a puppy. He was a puppy. When we got him, we estimated him to be five to six months old. So we were closer in guessing his age than Molly. But I've always felt that she was probably six months to a year when she got knocked up in Detroit. Yes. And you know, a new puppy having a puppy. Yeah, I think she was a puppy, you know. So she was about a year, year and a half. we sent out their samples to to get their ages and Molly. They estimated her age as seven years, ten months and that her birthday was April twentieth, twenty eighteen. Okay, so we do know that not to be true because there's no way even April of twenty eighteen and then having puppies in June is I don't think that's at all feasible, but they do give the disclaimer that, you know, it's give or take. So we were thinking they're about six months off. But but to be fair, even being six months off isn't bad, you know? Yeah. No, not at all. I think it kind of jives with what we thought. if you you take into account a little bit of error there, she was probably that anomaly, like you said that, yeah, she was only six, seven months old when she, you know, had her first heat cycle then puppies were very soon after that, right? Right. So about a year. So I believe her to be and they're not far off. she's not eleven to twelve. I believe that she is about eight, eight and a half years old. And I think the embark age range. I think it is pretty close. I think it's close enough that I'm I have confidence with that now with Joshua. When we pulled Joshua from the shelter, we fostered him with peace, love and paws rescue. And I always felt and I've been proven wrong, but I always felt that he was older. He has really bad arthritis in his knees. And he had a knee injury. And the rescue took care of doing the surgery for his knee and he recovered. And he was he's been doing amazing. We eventually adopted him. He likes to eat things and he has a high prey drive, and all the people that were interested in adopting him, I would have loved him to go to any of their homes, except that the one home that I love the most had small children, and I could just see him eating all their toys and then getting sick, and then they'd have this bill for, you know, surgery. Yeah, he's definitely we got to keep an eye on him. He's he likes to he likes to taste the world. Yes he does. I like the way you say that. But because his his other knee has. It's starting to bother him. And we've already looked into. He's going to have to have. We're going to have. Joshua's going to have to have surgery in a couple of months on his other knee. And they did say his arthritis is really bad in his knees. And so the shelter estimated his age to be about two. And that was back in, June. So okay, so June July of last year estimated to be about to, and I. personally thought he was older. I thought with how bad his knees are. But then having discussions with people with outdoor dogs or dogs that have been, relegated to basements and concrete slabs. And when he came to us, he had bad scabs on all of his elbows. Yeah, he was definitely it was, a concrete pad, like a brush, concrete pad that was abrasive, right. That. Yeah. And he, I think he spent his days outside and I think it just, aged his bones a little bit. Both Molly and Joshua have the most amazing teeth. They're just so white. And for Molly being eight and a half years old, her teeth are still pretty good. Looking for an older dog and Joshua's. And it's always deceiving because Boomer had always had terrible teeth. His teeth were bad from when he was, only like two. Right? And it just seemed like he was older. But if you were in some veterinarians, look at the teeth to try to give an age estimate and it's just not accurate. You know, the teeth. Joshua's teeth are so bright white and embark aged him at two years. Six months old. So the rescue, they were pretty close. if you take into account a bit of error in that, calculation, give or take six months or something. He's coming in about three. Mhm. We're coming up on three. Right. I think that's, you know, with the arthritis in his leg of a six year old dog. Yeah, but I think we can. But we can safely say. I think he was an outdoor dog. I think he was left outside or in a basement. Yeah. And, you know, he was found as a stray in Attica. The knee injury it's the breeds they can have a predisposition to knee problems. Oh, there's that too. Yeah. Every breed has their, genetic issues in doing the research on the knees, it comes back to the two percent Rottweiler, right? Oh, yeah. They're even more prone to it. They've often said that like, what is it with this Rottweiler and how it's like, this gave him his, his dominant head size and, his bad knees. Poor kid, bad knees gives him his bad knees. with all that said, I appreciate you guys listening to us just talk through all these, dramatic issues with our dogs. But no, the interesting and intrigue over DNA and aging. these tests that you can get. They send them to you. You send them back. And then in, five to eight weeks, you receive this information. I do believe the science is getting better. I do believe it's becoming more accurate. I think that there is still a little ways to go in some of this. I don't know, what are your thoughts? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's definitely it's come a long ways. I think we've seen wisdom panel is one of the, the better ones from our experience, right? True. like we said earlier, I think DNA, my dog was in its infancy really when we first started using it. And it may be better. Maybe we go back and we try them out again, just by Joshua we could yeah, we could do DNA, my dog with Josh mainly because we enjoy the science of it and see what the results are. I mean, it's fun. It's also very fun that now as more and more people are participating, that you're starting to see sibling and like, oh yeah, offspring matches and things of that nature. Yeah, I just love it. And it was, you know, even though we know Joe. Yeah, we know Jolie was even though it was, it was a good check mark on the system. Right? It was. And but also Danna Oh, she really is Jolie's. You know, Danna getting all emotional. We got all emotional over it because it's like, even though we knew each other already, it was still fun to see them linked like this in their DNA. And it was proven that, this is my Molly's puppies. And it was really cool. It was really cool to see. But with all that said,
00:33:29 Speaker: we're going to start something new with the podcast. I really appreciate all of you listening in. And if you made it to the end of our ramblings about DNA, I appreciate all of you for sticking through this. We have what we're going to do is listener mail. So email us at Great Lakes Pet Coalition at gmail.com. I will leave all of this information in the show notes, but I would love to hear from you guys about your DNA, dog or even cat or pet story. If you've done any of those companies embark wisdom panel or another one that we haven't even heard of, we'd love to hear from you. And if we read your story on our next episode or a future episode, we're going to have prizes and giveaways for your contributions. So email us Great Lakes Pet Coalition at gmail.com with your stories. And we would love to share our audience with that. So until next time, stay kind, stay curious and give your dog a cookie for me.